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  • wishboy's Avatar
    1,269 posts since Aug '05
    • this is a difficult qn (to me) i encountered when doing past yr papers
      can someone pls help me with this?


      Solve for x.

      Edited by wishboy 29 Sep `08, 7:28PM
  • skythewood's Avatar
    4,297 posts since Jul '07
    • bring one of the term over.

      cross multiply.

      you will get numbers to the power of the log thing one side,===> change of base

      x to the power of the of a log addition subtraction the other side. ===> solve it

       

      maybe you will get the answer. just doing this from visual, no have software to show the maths.

       

  • Ahm97sic's Avatar
    286 posts since Apr '08
    • Hi Wishboy,

      This question is fun ie it makes use of 2 interesting (but not so commonly used)concepts to solve the question.

      The answer is x = 6.

      Thank you or your kind attention.

      Regards,

      ahm97sic

  • wishboy's Avatar
    1,269 posts since Aug '05
    • Originally posted by skythewood:

      bring one of the term over.

      cross multiply.

      you will get numbers to the power of the log thing one side,===> change of base

      x to the power of the of a log addition subtraction the other side. ===> solve it

      maybe you will get the answer. just doing this from visual, no have software to show the maths.

      i got until

      mind guiding me on how to continue?

  • skythewood's Avatar
    4,297 posts since Jul '07
    • i see you change the log from 4 to 2, 9 to 3.

      that got me thinking... possible to use A^2 - B^2 = (A+ B)(A-B) ?

      than you will have 2 answers

  • skythewood's Avatar
    4,297 posts since Jul '07
  • wishboy's Avatar
    1,269 posts since Aug '05
  • skythewood's Avatar
    4,297 posts since Jul '07
    • Originally posted by wishboy:

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      Ahm97sic, can u help me continue? T.T


      can change log n 2 = (log 10 2)/(log 10 n) ? is this legal change of base?

  • wishboy's Avatar
    1,269 posts since Aug '05
    • ya can change like tat
      but it is still a power, only way to bring down is to make the base the same as the number

  • skythewood's Avatar
    4,297 posts since Jul '07
  • skythewood's Avatar
    4,297 posts since Jul '07
    • last resort:

      bring the power from the x side to the number side,

      change on base on the number side.

      not sure if this is legal though

  • Ahm97sic's Avatar
    286 posts since Apr '08
    • Hi Wishboy,

      I do not know how to type the mathematical symbols eg the log n 4 in the forum.

      Do you have any email account that can receive attached file ? I have typed out the answer using Mathtype in Microsoft Word 2003. I can send you an email with the answer in the attached file.

      Or I can send the attached file to the moderator Eagle and he will kindly type out the answer in the forum.

      Thank you for your kind attention.

      Regards,

      ahm97sic

       

  • Mikethm's Avatar
    111 posts since May '08
    • Mathtype expressions can be saved as gif i mean.

      Edited by Mikethm 29 Sep `08, 10:13PM
  • Ahm97sic's Avatar
    286 posts since Apr '08
  • wishboy's Avatar
    1,269 posts since Aug '05
    • ok i have received the file

      so the main step is to bring over the power

      thanks everyone for ur help

  • Ahm97sic's Avatar
    286 posts since Apr '08
    • Hi Wishboy,

      I have sent the answer in an email with the attached file to your email account.

      I like this question. It is fun. Please post more.

      Thank you for your kind attention.

      Regards,

      ahm97sic

  • Uncertain's Avatar
    1,033 posts since Jan '07
    • Equate (2/x) ^ log = (3/x) ^ log

      Then take log base n on both side.

      Simplify the equations to arrive at log n 6 (log n 2/3) = log n x (log n 2/3)

      Ans: x = 6

  • Mega wolf005's Avatar
    1 post since Nov '08
  • secretliker's Avatar
    255 posts since Dec '06
    • (2/x) ^ logn(4) = (3/x) ^ logn(9)

       

      Square root both sides, not sure if this is legal.

       

      (2/x) ^ logn(2) = (3/x) ^ logn(3)

       

      Change the base at the powers to power 2.

       

      (2/x) ^ [log2(2)/log2(n)] = (3/x) ^ [log2(3)/log2(n)]

       

      Take power log2(n) to remove the denominator.

       

      (2/x) = (3/x) ^ log2(3)

       

      Take log2 on both sides.

       

      1 - log2(x) = log2(3) [log2(3) - log2(x)]

       

      1 - log2(x) = [log2(3)]^2 - log2(3) * log2(x)

       

      1 - [log2(3)]^2 = log2(x) [1 - log2(3)]

       

      Use the identity (A-B)(A+B) = A^2 - B^2

       

      1 + log2(3) = log2(x)

       

      log2(6) = log2(x)

       

      x=6

  • Mikethm's Avatar
    111 posts since May '08
    • Just wondering... why no one want to take the easy way out?

      (2/x)^logn4 = (3/x)^logn9

      (2/x) = (3/x)^(logn9/logn4)

      (2/x) = (3/x)^1.58496

      (x^1.58496)/x = (3^1.58496)/2

      x^0.58496 = 2.85225

      x = 2.85225^(1/0.58496)

      x = 6.0000

      x = 6.00 (at worse minus 1 mark for unnecessary 3sf but who cares about 1 mark?)

       

  • secretliker's Avatar
    255 posts since Dec '06
    • Because we want to solve it without using calculator. It's good practice to know more methods nevertheless.

  • Mikethm's Avatar
    111 posts since May '08
    •  

      Oh ok... then you can have this simple use-only-simple-rules-no-calculator solution then :)

      (2/x)^2logn2 = (3/x)^2logn3

      Taking log to base n on both sides

      logn(2/x)^2logn2 = (3/x)^2logn3

      2logn2[logn2-lognx] = 2logn3[logn3-lognx]

      logn2[logn2-lognx] = logn3[logn3-lognx]

      (logn2)^2 -(logn2)(lognx) = (logn3)^2 - (logn3)(lognx)

      (logn3)(lognx)-(logn2)(lognx) = (logn3)^2-(logn2)^2

      lognx[logn3-logn2] = (logn3-logn2)(logn3+logn2)

      lognx = logn3 + logn2

      lognx = logn6

      x =6


      Same method as uncertain's probably. But just for the benefit of those who need it step by step. Does not make use of uncommon concepts. Only make use of 2 simple concepts.

      1. Must have same base.

      2. Making whatever contain x the subject. (E Maths)

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