butter chicken and naan set with mango lassi at curry garden, turf city, with my date

Originally posted by hiphop2009:

for today...

i happy because no need wake up early!

I'm happy to wake up with the person i love next to me... but sad that he has to go to work.. :(

Four in 10 S’poreans marry foreigners
Globalisation creating more chances for locals to meet, tie the knot with non-citizens
By Mavis Toh

Ms A.L. Koh is 36, has a master’s degree in business administration and works as a marketing manager in a multinational company.
When her Singaporean boyfriend of six years broke off their engagement in 2005 due to objections from his mother, she dropped the idea of marriage totally.
Mismatched couples ‘At work, we are conditioned to fight like a man but at home, they still expect us to go soft and take care of their every need.’
MS A.L. KOH, 36, on Singaporean men. She is married to a Frenchman

But last December, she walked down the aisle of a church in France and said ‘I do’ to a Frenchman.
The two had met at work – the 40-year-old man is a project manager in the same firm – and they have now set up home here. Like Ms Koh, nearly 40 per cent of Singaporeans who tied the knot last year married either a permanent resident or a foreigner.
Of the 20,775 marriages involving at least one citizen, 8,086 Singaporeans were hitched to non-citizen spouses. Of the 8,086 people, 6,200 were men and 1,886 were women.
There were 8,406 and 8,161 such marriages in 2005 and 2006 respectively.
Close to 90 per cent of these non-citizen spouses last year were from Asia.
These figures were released recently by the National Population Secretariat but the real figure may be even higher as some Singaporeans marry their partners and register their marriages overseas.
The Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports (MCYS) attributed the trend to globalisation. It noted that Singaporeans routinely travel overseas for work, study and leisure, and as the country becomes more vibrant and cosmopolitan, many foreigners also choose to live and work here.
‘This provides more opportunities for interaction between Singaporeans and foreigners, and it is not surprising for some to fall in love and marry,’ said a MCYS spokesman.
Sociologist Paulin Straughan attributes the high figures in recent years to Singapore’s open-door policy towards foreign talent.
She added that the largest group of Singaporean male singles are usually lower educated while the female singles are usually higher educated.
‘The educated women are more likely to travel overseas or meet Caucasian spouses at work here. The men turn to foreign brides through matchmaking agencies,’ she said.
While figures on the nationalities of foreign spouses are unavailable, The Sunday Times understands that Malaysians form the bulk. But the mushrooming of matchmaking agencies has brought an influx of brides from Vietnam and China.
There are about 200 dating and matchmaking agencies here.
One of them is Blissful Marriage Consultants whose owner Han Lin Zhuo matchmakes about 10 couples yearly, charging $5,888 for each case.
His agency, set up in 2004, deals specifically with Hainanese brides because they are ‘more virtuous and family-oriented’ than Singaporean women.
‘If Singaporean men do not want to date career-minded Singaporean women, I give them an alternative to date virtuous Hainanese women,’ he said. He has contacts and an office in Hainan which generate a constant pool of Hainanese women looking to pair up with Singaporean men.
He added that most of his clients, aged between 28 and 50, had tried dating Singaporean women before turning to him.
‘They date for three to five years and the girls are unwilling to settle down. The men want to start a family and don’t want to risk going through the dating process again,’ he said.
At another agency, Life Partner Matchmaker, owner Janson Ong said many men had joined dating agencies before seeking help from a matchmaker.
‘They join these agencies and waste a number of years without getting a life partner. So they come to us – it’s faster and the stigma of going to matchmakers has also gone down,’ he said.
But his business – the women come from Vietnam – has been affected by the economic downturn since August last year. Now, he gets only one case every few months. Previously, he could get up to six cases monthly, charging $10,000 for each virgin bride.
He added that 40 per cent of his clients are degree holders with good jobs.
‘They do well in their careers but when it comes to women, they’re shy and have no courage to ask them out,’ he noted.
Ms Annie Chan, co-founder of Club2040, a matchmaking agency and social dating club, said most of its clients still prefer to date local women because of their ‘similar upbringing’.
She said men may turn to foreign women because they find local ones too ‘career-minded’ and ‘driven’.
But Ms Chan said: ‘Local women feel that men here don’t understand that our education system has pushed them to pursue such high-powered careers. After a while, they feel that perhaps foreign men will appreciate this part of them.’
Ms Koh agrees. Her former boyfriend had often complained about her long working hours and felt insecure that she made more money than him.
‘At work, we are conditioned to fight like a man but at home, they still expect us to go soft and take care of their every need,’ she said.
‘Foreign men are different; they know how to take care of their women.’
With trans-national marriages taking off, one issue has surfaced – citizenship for the children of these couples.
Dr Straughan said: ‘These kids have one foot in each culture and country but Singapore may end up losing talents if the other parent is from a First World country.’
For businessman Jerome Phua, 43, it does not bother him which citizenship his son Ethan, three, takes up.
His wife is Indonesian and they met while he was on business in that country.
‘Such marriages and ‘mixed kids’ will just add to the cosmopolitan flavour of Singapore. After all, we’re already a rojak society,’ he said.

if u include the malaysians and some other nationalities from this region that have pretty similar cultures, it's not so hard to imagine.

This was in the Straits Times on 12 Oct. Is it really true, or do numbers from our neighbours (malaysians) inflate the numbers? There's no distinct cultural difference between malaysians and singaporeans.

Do you think really that many S'poreans marry foreigners? What's the social impact then? Brain drain?

By the way, does anyone have the full online article?

I checked recent prices in Sep balloting. For a 3 room in Bt Merah, it'd cost almost 270k!! This is crazy considering the income ceilig is 3k for the household. How will the person be able to pay the instalment unless he has a lot in CPF/cash to reduce the loan!!

What is the reasonable amount one can expect to pay for a new 4 room flat? Or 5 room flat?

What about location?

too bad these are war torn places..

since u guys are so despearate, here’s one.

this vid gives new definition to bad hair day
http://www.boosuck.com/?video=176

Originally posted by Short Ninja:

From what I noticed in Singapore is that there is an ongoing 'Fever'  with Chinese girls dating Indian /Malay Guys and Chinese guys dating Malay and Eurasian Girls.

that's true.. i won't call it a fever.. just that peeps are opening up more.

Originally posted by asharae:

Lol...so notti.

Anyway, a seemingly harmless post seeking opinions on inter-racial relationships turned into a disastrous debate of races and gender. Honestly, I don't find her remarks of "boring experiences with local men" insulting at all. Some people like new experiences, and it's not that she is trying to seduce a foreigner to get a citizenship, materialistic gains or whatever.

I'm chinese and have dated many white women when I was living in the States. Despite what 4sg thinks, there wasn't any ulterior motive but just plain mutual attraction. Even though they've great personalities, I wouldn't go to the extend to say whites are superior in any way.  In fact, the Chinese have many morals and cultures that are, in my opinion, deemed more acceptable in a society. I suppose 4sg is uptight due to his own insecurities and low self-esteem.

yeah i just wanted to step out of the comfort zone. i've always found people from all races attractive in their own ways, just that i had not gone out dating with someone non-chinese before, and I wanted to try. and i'm happy i tried. I shall continue to be more open since stepping out of the comfort zone is not so difficult.

Originally posted by Hello Kitty:

i mean his family name.

oh, that's short. There's south indian, north indian, west indian, east indian. Not all are long names. If you need more help on general knowledge (and I think you do), a cheap way for you would be wikipedia. Try it. It may just open your mind. Anyway, since you think I am irritating in this post, why do you bother coming back repeatedly? Strange. You enjoy being irritated?

it’s much easier than I thought. we have more similarities than differences. i dun regret a thing!

Originally posted by vitasoys:

im feeling dam stress right now.i sold a laptop to my ns platoon mate for 900 sgd.he was suppose to transfer me 450 every month during payday.it been the 3rd week since payday and he is still trying to delay paying.i haven recieve a single cent yet and i had already pass him the laptop for 1 month plus.

he always seems to try to delay 1 by 1 day,claiming tat he will transfer me the money later,or his mum will transfer now,he will pass me tomorrow and end up taking a MC to avoid booking in.im nt so concern about the money actually but now my parents wanted the money.they have been pressuring me to get it from him but my friends doesn't seem interested in returning me.

i feel tat he had betray my trust,it been nt the first time he tried to pull a fast one.he had borrow a few hundred bucks frm different people and didn't return any of them.i dunno why he do tat.anyway he had a "bad" background as well,been in jail for drugs offences and joins gang and stuff like tat.i actually accept him as quite a nice guy but didn't expect that i wont be seeing my money/laptop again.

i was tinking of bringing tis case to the police if he don't returns me the money by this week.is this possible?is there a better idea than going to the police?

one word-gianpeng

Originally posted by Chunseah:

Everyone claims that sgp gals have brain, beauty and capable. But more and more sgp guys go to look for foreigner wife instead of local gals. In my surround peer, i have so many guys friend end up marry a malayisan, chinese, vietnamese, taiwanese and even thai gals. 

 

How did Sgp gals win the battle or just remain single?

world is now globalised. you can choose to be with anyone you like, from anywhere you like. what's the big deal/ i have a relative, married a myanmese when he was 26. is it desperate or because he got dumped by his sg girlfriend? she didn't speak chinese of english, so i really have no idea how you can fall in love like that... very strange

we're dating now... :) he's so interesting... and intellectually stimulating...

i love the way he speaks, the long eyelashes, the deep eyes..

Originally posted by xiiaostarry:

She told him that she's pregnant..

The guy told her to go for abortion straight away & she refused..She just told the guy that why should she go through the danger of abortion alone? And, why must she bear the burden alone?

The guy told the girl that his mother will not want the child either..And, he is still struggling to pay for his monthly sch fees..hence..he don't have the cash to get married either..

The girl told the guy that since they created this trouble for themselves..shouldn't they share the responsibility tgt? The guy objected to the idea agressively & even asked the girl if she's going to pay for all those fees (in maintaining the child) if they got married, as he doesn't have any savings at all..

He kept co-ercing the girl to go for abortion in b/w the conversation..

He even told the girl that if she wants to keep the child..so be it..and, that he will give a "monthly maintenance fee" for this child & they shall go their separate ways from there..

The girl requested to meet up with the guy to have a chat...the guy told her : "what's the point of meeting up when he has already made up his mind?..since there's nth to talk abt..we just break up over the phone immediately..."

he even blames the girl for calling him up to tell him about this issue as he was out for a gathering with his friends..

he even said : "that's y..i hate answering calls in the middle of an outing..."

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what kind of f**king attitude is that?..make her pregnant & run away? is that the kind of responsible SG guy that exist nowadays?..should the girl really go for abortion & start afresh? both of them are in their mid 20s..

p.s : is a real incident....

 

total fucked up jerk. u know how many people out there are waiting for the gift of a child.

Originally posted by 4sg:

Angry for what? Have you not seen postings that that are really flaming and inflammatory? Mine are just comment too.

No, I have no misconception of local girls.

We are a developed nation but local, whether it is man or woman, have a long why to go as compare to other ppl from the developed nation - such us Europe, US and Japan. Particularly, many local young girls - their attitudes and their characters.

That is what I meant and not some fantasy comment about white woman.

P.S. If you don't like ppl calling local woman name - don't go about calling white woman in degrading way - 'white chick' ok? 

  
i don't think there's anything wrong with "white chick"..? not meant to be degradng..

Originally posted by 4sg:

Whether you find your dreams and interest from other race, that is your business.
Nowhere I did I condemned you or limited your choice.

My point are these -
1) It is hard to believe out of 4.5 mil ppl, all male of your race boring? An excuse is just an excuse - don't expect all us of to agree. 
2) if you going to come to forums to post such topic, you have to expect diff types of response and not all response agrees with your views - yeah?    

 

firstly, 4.5mil is incorrect, because you have to take into consideration the female gender, you have to take into consideration people not my age range, you have to take into consideration married/attached peep, you have to take into consideration teenagers and children (sorry i'm no cradle snatcher), and last but not least, the PR's and foreigners, then multiply that by 0.77. when you have done your sums, you will find that the eligible pool of chinese local men for a woman in her 20s has shrunk considerably from your quoted figure of 4.5mil, which I didn';t feel like arguing against when you first mentioned it, because it was so absurd, but you quoting this figure again made me feel that you should be taught a thing or two about being able to do simple primary school mathematics.

secondly, this is Aunt Agony forum, where i am asking for advice. now, if you have no advice to give, you don't need to give mudsling. it's not compulsory to post.

thirdly, from some of the responses received in this thread from what looks like local chinese men, you guys have just added to my list (and some other girls') list of the increasingly long list of local chinese men who cannot make it.

so thank you for re-inforcing our opinions about you.

but you are being so unfair to the rare, cool, intelligent, local chinese male, whom for the few ones I know, are happily attached, so i am not interested in them.. is that wromg???

Originally posted by angel7030:

ya, life is short, play hard ya, now start the engine and test drive him, maybe gd in appearance but lousy on the road.

i bet you are a QQ cherry, lousy in appearance, lousy in everything.. fucker

Originally posted by soulwinner:

We got seperate due to some other reason.. She's from a silver-spoon family and currently studying in US so letting her go is good for both parties .

so i guess timing and wrong stage of life.. i've been working for a few years now.. so more settled and easier to find someone in the same lifestage..

life is short.. i gotta live fast.. and without regrets!

Originally posted by soulwinner:

I used to have a gf who is an ABC.. nothing great about that.. most importantly is whether the relationship can work out..

yeah we could click... not boring like my previous dates.. so why didn't your r/s work out?

no longer envious.. trying one interracial date tonite. it was great!

totally clicked!

i’m not sure why the arguing in the forum started, but anyway,

we were just going for coffee after work… then ended going for dinner… had a great time. i sure did. i think he did…

but no promise of second date.. but i don’t regret any of this. he smells great..and yummy eyelashes!

for those who think he’s a player, well, he just likes to wear ring…

Originally posted by 4sg:

Dating guys from your own race is boring? So are you implying that your own race is an inferior race? What should be exciting then?  discrete sex? date rape? pregnancy before marriage? one night stand?

Put it this way, a date is a date whether it is a date with a guy from your own race or a guy from another race. Dating man from another race does not necessarily make your dating more exciting or your life more exciting.

Excitement is a state of mind. This state of mind is for you to control internally - from within yourself. Don't go around looking for excitment but fail to look within yourself. If you find guys from your own race boring, you are likely to find this Indian guy boring after sometime.

Beneath the label of race, religion, culture lies a homo sapien. All man are man and all woman are woman. If your own race is capable of being boring, guy from the Indian race can also be capable of being boring.

Find a man who can share your interest, your dreams, your lifestyle. I can't think of a better word to describe well fed, pampered local woman - slutty is the word that comes to mind. 

you are right. i'm beginnng to realise that thjose who share my dreams and interest are not from my own race.